Darf man als schiite in einer sunnitischen Moschee beten?
Assalamu Aleykum,
ich wollte fragen, ob ich als schiite in einer sunnitischen Moschee beten darf/kann?
danke
2 Antworten
Ja komm gerne einfach rein, jeder ist Willkommen. Du darfst da drinnen aber keinen Shirk machen. Du darfst nur Allah alleine anbeten(überall und immer)
Ja warum nicht, du betest "Es" ja nicht an. Ist zwar eine Bidah(Erneuerung) und der Prophet hatte nichts damit zu tun, macht auch keinen Sinn sowas zu machen, aber ich denke es ist abhängig wie sunnitisch die Masjid ist, bei Leuten denen alles egal ist, wird dich keiner ansprechen sondern vllt nur lächeln und hinterher lästern, aber bei richtigen Brüdern werden die dich schon ansprechen und sagen dass du es nicht machen solltest, oder Leute werden dir Fragen stellen wieso du es machst.
Musst du wissen ob du es machen willst oder nicht, folg einfach dem Propheten Bruderherz, sei nicht wie die Christen, die machen auch nur Dinge die nichts mehr mit dem Propheten Jesus zu tun haben. Jede Bidah ist eine Irrleitung und jede Irrleitung ist im Feuer
Ist zwar eine Bidah(Erneuerung) und der Prophet hatte nichts damit zu tun,
Nicht ganz. Der Prophet Mohammed ordnete an, dass die Stirn und die Nase beim Beten die ERDE berühren sollen. Der Gebetsstein wird aus Erde gemacht und soll das erfüllen.
In regards to the subject, the third narration very clearly states that the earth (the dust and the stones) is a place of prostration. In the history of Islam, the Prophet Muhammad has shown that his masjid in Madina had no floor covering; it was only dust, although numerous types of rugs and furnishings existed at that time. Since this masjid did not have a carpet or any other type of floor covering thus when it rained the floor of the masjid would turn into mud; but still, the Muslims prostrated on the mud and did not put any carpets or rugs down. Many other narrations are as follows:
Abu Sa΄id al-Khidri, a companion of the Prophet reported, “I saw with my own eyes, the Messenger of Allah had on his nose the traces of rain and mud.”
Imam al-Bukhari narrates that when the Prophet used to do the prayers in his own room, he would pray on khumra (a solid piece of dirt or a piece of straw).
The Messenger of Allah performed his prayer and I (one of the wives of the Prophet) was lying down opposite to him while I was in menses. Sometimes his clothes touched me when he prostrated, and he used to prostrate on khumra.[2]
One of the wives of the Prophet said, “I never saw the Prophet (while prostrating) prevent his face from touching the earth.”[3]
Wa΄il, one of the Prophet’s companions narrates, “I saw (that) the Prophet, once he prostrated touched his forehead and nose on the earth.”[4]
Other narrations say that the Prophet prohibited the Muslims from prostrating on materials other than the earth. One day he saw a man prostrating on some cloth from his turban. The Prophet pointed to him and told him to remove his turban and to touch his actual forehead on the ground.[5]
Despite the immense heat of the ground, the Prophet and his companions used to prostrate on it. A great companion of the Prophet, Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah al-Ansari says, “I used to pray the noon prayers with the Messenger of Allah and I used to take a bunch of pebbles in my palm to cool them because of the enormous heat so I could prostrate on them.”[6]
Another companion of the Prophet, Anas ibn Malik narrates, “We used to pray with the Messenger of Allah during the enormous heat, and one of us would take pebbles in our hands and once they were cool, put them down and prostrate on them.”[7]
Al-Khabbab ibn al-Arth, another companion of the Prophet says, “We complained to the Messenger of Allah about the intensity of the heat of the ground and its effects on our foreheads and palms (during prostration) but the Prophet did not excuse us from praying on the ground.”[8]
Abu Ubaidah, also a companion of the Prophet narrates that the companion ibn Mas‘ud never prostrated (on anything) except on the earth,[9] while the companion ‘Ibada ibn al-Samit has been narrated to have pushed back his turban to allow his forehead to touch the ground.[10]
During the times of the first, second, third, and fourth caliphs the Muslims used to prostrate on the dust. Abu Umayyah narrates that the first caliph, Abu Bakr used to prostrate and pray on the earth.[11] Prostrating on the earth was also the habit of the tabi’in (those who did not see the Prophet but met his companions). Masruq ibn al-Ajda’, a prominent tabi’in and a faithful jurist, and a student of ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud made for himself a tablet from the dirt of Madina and used it to prostrate on, taking it with him on his trips, especially when he boarded ships.
The people closest to the Prophet, the Ahlul Bayt were also very firm in their practice of prostrating on the earth, and in doing so, were following the tradition of their grandfather, the Messenger of Allah. Imam Ja‘far al-Sadiq, the sixth Imam said, “Prostration is not permitted except on the earth and whatever grows from it except on those things that are eaten or made of cotton.”
When he was asked whether having one’s turban touch the earth instead of the forehead was acceptable, he replied that this was not sufficient unless the forehead actually touched the earth.[14] His companion and student, Hisham ibn al-Hakam asked him whether all seven positions (forehead, hands, knees, and big toes) needed to touch the earth during prostration, Imam al-Sadiq replied that as long as the forehead touched the earth, there was no need for the other six areas to touch the earth.
Thus, people can use carpets or prayer rugs to pray on as long as the forehead itself touches the earth. However, prostrating by putting the forehead on a piece of cloth, carpet, nylon, sheet, wool, or anything that is not a product of the earth (excluding items which are eaten or worn; things upon which prostration is not permissible) would not be considered prostrating on the earth...
Der Prophet Mohammed betete nie auf einen Gebetsteppich. Palmen-matten oder Erde.
Bruder du brauchst mich hier nicht mit deiner shiitischen Interpretation aufklären? Auf der Erde 🌏 zu beten ist dass man den Boden berührt, es darf aber kein Klo oder Friedhof sein. Gebetsteppiche sind keine Pflicht, Sunnah, stimmt, aber es spricht absolut nichts dagegen, eine Masjid damit zu beschmücken
Ich bezog mich nicht auf den schiitischen Islam, sondern darauf, dass der Prophet Mohammed sagte, man solle mit seiner Stirn die Erde berühren beim Beten. Der Stein soll das erfüllen.
Es ist keine Erneuerung.
Ja darf man ist kein Problem
2015-2019 habe ich immer mit meine schiitischen bros in sunitische moschee gegessen dann magib, isha und trawih gebettet
Ich gehöre übrigens zu sunnah
Es gibt einige die sich nur Shia nennen weil ihre Eltern es sind. Wenn sie der Ahlu Sunna Wal Jamah folgen, sind sie Muslime.
wie macht man das dann als schiite ? Kann man mit einer torba beten oder ist das nicht erlaubt? Danke
Sie hatten die dien einen Stein bei sich sonst normal wie alle anderen
Abee ka uch achte nicht wirklich auf meine Umgebung wenn uch am beten bin
Darf ich dann dort auch auf meiner torba (Gebetsstein-> gepresste Erde ) beten?